Wednesday, August 15, 2012

The Trouble WIth Geneaolgy

The following is from  HumphrysFamilyTree.com

The genealogy site of Mark Humphrys 

I would like to disprove the basic concept that is being stated here.  They are trying to say genealogy is not genetic.  Somehow, genealogy is not a person's DNA.  Wait up a second, if we inherit our DNA from our parents and genealogy is the study of our family history- should it stand to reason that genealogy would be perfect way to study a person's genetics.  Actually speaking why would people believe that genealogy would be anything different.

Here is the fact, genealogy can be used to tear apart many of the ill conceived "truths" that are currently be taught today.

1. Humans have been on the earth for many millions of years.  If this were true, then why would there have been such a need for some many inter- marriages? The article would have you believe that we are all common descendants from people who lived 1500, 2000, and 3,000 years ago.  Our MCRA would be reached somewhere about 300 AD.  Now, look at the facts.  If we were millions of years old and more people live on the earth today then did in the past, our MCRA would have been hundred of thousands of years ago.  The fact that if you studied genealogy and note all of the inter-marriages you could easily ascertain that common relatives disproves evolution completely.   In fact, it makes it impossible to even be feasible.

Could this be why so many people don't believe in genealogy?  Is is too easy to believe that we are all related and our families are not important?  Or is this a much more insidious aspect to this claim.  Could they truly being honest when they claim the following.

 

This is not about DNA (Genealogy is not Genetics)

These findings do not necessarily have any implications for our DNA. To descend from someone does not mean you necessarily inherit any DNA from them. These findings do not conflict with the idea that most or all of your DNA is inherited from your local area. Even if you do descend from the Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs, that does not mean this can be detected in your DNA. In fact, there may be no evidence at all of these findings in humanity's DNA. And yet the findings can still be true. To see this, imagine one Western European sailor blown off course in classical times, say 100 AD, and landing in the Caribbean, with no way home. He is not killed but rather taken in by a tribe who need strong young men.
  1. He mates with one of the native women and has children. 1/2 of their DNA is European.
  2. The children mate with pure natives and have grandchildren. About 1/4 (can be more or less, by chance) of their DNA is European.
  3. The grandchildren mate with pure natives and have great-grandchildren. About 1/8 (more or less) of their DNA is European.
  4. And so on.
By 1492, all of the Caribbean is descended from him, but his DNA is extinct. There is no evidence of his existence in the DNA of the living. He is everyone's ancestor, but no one has his DNA. In summary, we are interested here in genealogical descent, not genetic descent.


Please look at it this way- the study of genealogy is the study of people- genetics makes up people.  Genetics is a great subset of genealogical information.


Armenian Genealogy

Individuals @ Armenia


INDI  NameBirth  AnniversaryPlace  Children  Death  AnniversaryAge  Place  Last Change  
1I2911Armenia, King Leo
about 725
1287 1 119195 12 October 2008 - 8:11:00pm
2I2973Arshakuni, Princess Bambishu
‎(unknown)‎, Bambishn
about 315
1697 1
Yes
14 November 2008 - 9:27:00pm
3I2986Arshakuni, Princess Ghadama
about 75
1937 1
Yes
12 October 2008 - 8:11:00pm
4I2977Arshakuni II, Khosrow
‎(unknown)‎, Khosrov II
‎(unknown)‎, Khusraw II the valient
about 236
1776 1
about 287
17255114 November 2008 - 9:29:00pm
5I2974Arshakuni III, Khosrow Kotak
‎(unknown)‎, Choesroes III the short
‎(unknown)‎, Chosroes
‎(unknown)‎, Khosrov III the Small
about 280
1732 1
about 338
16745814 November 2008 - 9:28:00pm
6I2979Arshakuni, Khosrow
‎(unknown)‎, Choesroes I
‎(unknown)‎, Khosrov I
‎(unknown)‎, Khusraw
‎(unknown)‎, King The Brave
‎(unknown)‎, Vagharsh
about 165
18471
about 217
179552 14 November 2008 - 9:30:00pm
7I2978Arshakuni, King Tiridates
‎(unknown)‎, Tiridat II
about 194
1818 1
about 252
17605814 November 2008 - 9:29:00pm
8I2976Arshakuni, Tiridates
‎(unknown)‎, Tiran Trdat
‎(unknown)‎, Tiran, Helios
‎(unknown)‎, Tiridates III
about 255
1757 1
about 330
16827514 November 2008 - 9:29:00pm
9I3088Artashesian, Artaxias
‎(unknown)‎, King The Conqueror
about 230
17821
about 159
1853 24 March 2003 - 11:16:00pm
10I3087Artashesian, King Tigranes
about 200
18121
about 123
1889 24 March 2003 - 11:15:00pm
11I3085Artashesian, King Tigranis Megas
about 140
18722
about 55B.C.
2067 12 October 2008 - 8:11:00pm
12I2995Artashesian, Princess ‎(unknown)‎
about 90B.C.
2102 1
Yes
24 October 2008 - 7:30:00pm
13I10188Ervanduni, King Xerxes
about 260
1752 3 1800 2 November 2008 - 10:14:00am
14I2990Herodian, Princess ‎(unknown)‎
about 1B.C.
2013 1
Yes
12 October 2008 - 8:11:00pm
15I10141Lekapenos, Emperor Romanis
about 869
1143 1 106479 19 October 2008 - 8:56:00pm
16I2907Mamikonean, Artavazd
‎(unknown)‎, Strategos
Mamikonian, Artavazd
about 736
1276 2
about 778
123442 14 November 2008 - 9:23:00pm
17I2958Mamikonean, Marzpan Hamazasp
Mamikonian, Hamazasp
about 600
14122
about 658
135458 14 November 2008 - 9:24:00pm
18I2967Mamikonean, Prince Hamazasp
Mamikonid, Hamazasp I
about 345
16672 159671 19 October 2008 - 1:00:00pm
19I2966Mamikonean, Hmayeak
Mamikonian, Hmayeak
about 410
1602 1 15614114 November 2008 - 9:25:00pm
20I2962Mamikonean, Viceroy Mousegh
Mamikonian, Mousegh I
about 530
14821
about 593
141963 14 November 2008 - 9:24:00pm
21I2964Mamikonean, Viceroy Vard Patrik
Mamikonid, Vard
about 450
1562 1 150359 14 November 2008 - 9:25:00pm
22I2971Souren-Pahlav, Nerseh
‎(unknown)‎, Saint Nerses I the Great
‎(unknown)‎, St Narses I the great
‎(unknown)‎, King The Great
about 335
16771
about 373
163938 14 November 2008 - 9:26:00pm
23I2969Souren-Pahlav, Sahak
‎(unknown)‎, St Isaac the great
‎(unknown)‎, King The Great
16601 157387 14 November 2008 - 9:25:00pm

Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Descendancy Chart:Princess Bambishu Arshakuni

Descendancy Chart:Princess Bambishu Arshakuni

Arshakuni Genealogy


1 Darius Arshakuni b: Abt 0045 BC
  +  Arshakuni
    2 Vonones Arshakuni b: Abt 0028 BC
        3 Vologaesus Arshakuni b: Abt 0010 BC
            4 Mithradates Arshakuni b: Abt 0010
                5 Sanatroukes Arshakuni b: Abt 0037
                    6 Vologaesus Arshakuni b: Abt 0055
                        7 Ghadama Arshakuni b: Abt 0075
                          + Pharasmenes K'ujisuni b: Abt 0070 d: Abt 122
                            8 Rhadamiste K'ujisuni b: Abt 0095 d: Abt 135
                              + Zenobia b: Abt 110
                                9 Pharasmenes K'ujisuni b: Abt 132 d: Abt 185
                                    10  K'ujisuni b: Abt 145
                                      + Vologaesus Arshakuni b: Abt 130 d: Abt 208
                        7 Vologaesus Arshakuni b: Abt 0075
                            8 Vologaesus Arshakuni b: Abt 0095 d: Abt 147
                                9 Vologaesus Arshakuni b: Abt 130 d: Abt 208
                                  +  K'ujisuni b: Abt 145
                                    10 Khosrow Arshakuni b: Abt 165 d: Abt 217

Steve Olson makes some critical mistakes

The Royal We

The mathematical study of genealogy indicates that everyone in the world is descended from Nefertiti and Confucius, and everyone of European ancestry is descended from Muhammad and Charlemagne
By Steve Olson
Afew years ago the Genealogical Office in Dublin moved from a back room of the Heraldic Museum up the street to the National Library. The old office wasn't big enough for all the people stopping by to track down their Irish ancestors, and even the new, much larger office is often crowded. Because of its history of oppression and Catholic fecundity, Ireland has been a remarkably productive exporter of people. The population of the island has never exceeded 10 million, but more than 70 million people worldwide claim Irish ancestry. On warm summer days, as tourists throng nearby Trinity College and Dublin Castle, the line of visitors waiting to consult one of the office's professional genealogists can stretch out the door.
I suspect that many people have had a fling with genealogy somewhat like mine. In my office I have a file containing the scattered lines of Olsons and Taylors, Richmans and Sigginses (my Irish ancestors), that I gathered several years ago in a paroxysm of family-mindedness. For the most part my ancestors were a steady stream of farmers, ministers, and malcontents. Yet a few of the Old World lines hint at something grander—they include a couple of knights, and even a baron. I've never taken the trouble to find out, but I bet with a little work I could achieve that nirvana of genealogical research, demonstrated descent from a royal family.
Earlier this year I went to Dublin to learn more about the Irish side of my family and to talk about genealogy with Mark Humphrys, a young computer scientist at Dublin City University. Humphrys has dark hair, deep-blue eyes, heavily freckled arms, and a pasty complexion. He became interested in genealogy as a teenager, after hearing romantic stories about his ancestors' roles in rebellions against the English. But when he tried to trace his family further into the past, the trail ran cold. The Penal Laws imposed by England in the early eighteenth century forbade Irish Catholics from buying land or joining professions, which meant that very few permanent records of their existence were generated. "Irish people of Catholic descent are almost completely cut off from the past," Humphrys told me, as we sat in his office overlooking a busy construction site. (Dublin City University, which specializes in information technology and the life sciences, is growing as rapidly as the northern Dublin suburb in which it is located.) "The great irony about Ireland is that even though we have this long, rich history, almost no person of Irish-Catholic descent can directly connect to that history."
While a graduate student at Cambridge University, Humphrys fell in love with and married an Englishwoman, and investigating her genealogy proved more fruitful. Her family knew that they were descended from an illegitimate son of the tenth Earl of Pembroke. After just a couple of hours in the Cambridge library, Humphrys showed that the Earl of Pembroke was a direct descendant of Edward III, making Humphrys's wife the King's great-granddaughter twenty generations removed. Humphrys began to gather other genealogical tidbits related to English royalty. Many of the famous Irish rebels he'd learned about in school turned out to have ancestors who had married into prominent Protestant families, which meant they were descended from English royalty. The majority of American presidents were also of royal descent, as were many of the well-known families of Europe.
Humphrys began to notice something odd. Whenever a reliable family tree was available, almost anyone of European ancestry turned out to be descended from English royalty—even such unlikely people as Hermann Göring and Daniel Boone. Humphrys began to think that such descent was the rule rather than the exception in the Western world, even if relatively few people had the documents to demonstrate it.
Humphrys compiled his family genealogies first on paper and then using computers. He did much of his work on royal genealogies in the mid-1990s, when the World Wide Web was just coming into general use. He began to put his findings on Web pages, with hyperlinks connecting various lines of descent. Suddenly dense networks of ancestry jumped out at him. "I'd known these descents were interconnected, but I'd never known how much," he told me. "You can't see the connections reading the printed genealogies, because it's so hard to jump from tree to tree. The problem is that genealogies aren't two-dimensional, so any attempt to put them on paper is more or less doomed from the start. They aren't three-dimensional, either, or you could make a structure. They have hundreds of dimensions."
Much of Humphrys's genealogical research now appears on his Web page Royal Descents of Famous People. Sitting in his office, I asked him to show me how it works. He clicked on the name Walt Disney. Up popped a genealogy done by Brigitte Gastel Lloyd (Humphrys links to the work of others whenever possible) showing the twenty-two generations separating Disney from Edward I. Humphrys pointed at the screen. "Here we have a sir, so this woman is the daughter of a knight. Maybe this woman will marry nobility, but there's a limited pool of nobility, so eventually someone here is going to marry someone who's just wealthy. Then one of their children could marry someone who doesn't have that much money. In ten generations you can easily get from princess to peasant."
The idea that virtually anyone with a European ancestor descends from English royalty seems bizarre, but it accords perfectly with some recent research done by Joseph Chang, a statistician at Yale University. The mathematics of our ancestry is exceedingly complex, because the number of our ancestors increases exponentially, not linearly. These numbers are manageable in the first few generations—two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents—but they quickly spiral out of control. Go back forty generations, or about a thousand years, and each of us theoretically has more than a trillion direct ancestors—a figure that far exceeds the total number of human beings who have ever lived.
In a 1999 paper titled "Recent Common Ancestors of All Present-Day Individuals," Chang showed how to reconcile the potentially huge number of our ancestors with the quantities of people who actually lived in the past. His model is a mathematical proof that relies on such abstractions as Poisson distributions and Markov chains, but it can readily be applied to the real world. Under the conditions laid out in his paper, the most recent common ancestor of every European today (except for recent immigrants to the Continent) was someone who lived in Europe in the surprisingly recent past—only about 600 years ago. In other words, all Europeans alive today have among their ancestors the same man or woman who lived around 1400. Before that date, according to Chang's model, the number of ancestors common to all Europeans today increased, until, about a thousand years ago, a peculiar situation prevailed: 20 percent of the adult Europeans alive in 1000 would turn out to be the ancestors of no one living today (that is, they had no children or all their descendants eventually died childless); each of the remaining 80 percent would turn out to be a direct ancestor of every European living today.
Chang's model incorporates one crucial assumption: random mating in the part of the world under consideration. For example, every person in Europe would have to have an equal chance of marrying every other European of the opposite sex. As Chang acknowledges in his paper, random mating clearly does not occur in reality; an Englishman is much likelier to marry a woman from England than a woman from Italy, and a princess is much likelier to marry a prince than a pauper. These departures from randomness must push back somewhat the date of Europeans' most recent common ancestor.
But Humphrys's Web page suggests that over many generations mating patterns may be much more random than expected. Social mobility accounts for part of the mixing—what Voltaire called the slippered feet going down the stairs as the hobnailed boots ascend them. At the same time, revolutions overturn established orders, countries invade and colonize other countries, and people sometimes choose mates from far away rather than from next door. Even the world's most isolated peoples—Pacific islanders, for example—continually exchange potential mates with neighboring groups.
This constant churning of people makes it possible to apply Chang's analysis to the world as a whole. For example, almost everyone in the New World must be descended from English royalty—even people of predominantly African or Native American ancestry, because of the long history of intermarriage in the Americas. Similarly, everyone of European ancestry must descend from Muhammad. The line of descent for which records exist is through the daughter of the Emir of Seville, who is reported to have converted from Islam to Catholicism in about 1200. But many other, unrecorded descents must also exist.
Chang's model has even more dramatic implications. Because people are always migrating from continent to continent, networks of descent quickly interconnect. This means that the most recent common ancestor of all six billion people on earth today probably lived just a couple of thousand years ago. And not long before that the majority of the people on the planet were the direct ancestors of everyone alive today. Confucius, Nefertiti, and just about any other ancient historical figure who was even moderately prolific must today be counted among everyone's ancestors.
Toward the end of our conversation Humphrys pointed out something I hadn't considered. The same process works going forward in time; in essence every one of us who has children and whose line does not go extinct is suspended at the center of an immense genetic hourglass. Just as we are descended from most of the people alive on the planet a few thousand years ago, several thousand years hence each of us will be an ancestor of the entire human race—or of no one at all.
The dense interconnectedness of the human family might seem to take some of the thrill out of genealogical research. Sure, I was able to show in the Genealogical Office that my Siggins ancestors are descended from the fourteenth-century Syggens of County Wexford; but I'm also descended from most of the other people who lived in Ireland in the fourteenth century. Humphrys took issue with my disillusionment. It's true that everyone's roots go back to the same family tree, he said. But each path to our common past is different, and reconstructing that path, using whatever records are available, is its own reward. "You can ask whether everyone in the Western world is descended from Charlemagne, and the answer is yes, we're all descended from Charlemagne. But can you prove it? That's the game of genealogy."

Mamikonian Genealogy


Mamikonian
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Vartan Mamikonian


 
Mamikonian or Mamikoneans was a noble family which dominated Armenian politics between the 4th and 8th century. They ruled the Armenian regions of Taron, Sasun, Bagrevand and others.
The origin of the Mamikonians is shrouded in the mists of antiquity. Moses of Chorene in his History of Armenia (5th or 6th century) claims that three centuries earlier two Chinese noblemen, Mamik and Konak, rose against their half-brother, Chenbakur, the Emperor of Chenk, or China. They were defeated and fled to the king of Parthia who, braving the Emperor's demands to extradite the culprits, sent them to live in Armenia, where Mamik became the progenitor of the Mamikonians.
The first known Mamikonid lord, or nakhararq, about whom anything certain is known was a certain Vatche Mamikonian (fl. 330-339). The family reappears in chronicles in 355, when the bulk of their lands lay in Tayk. At that point the family chief was Vasak Mamikonian, a commander-in-chief (sparapet) of Armenia. Later, the office of sparapet would become hereditary possession of the Mamikonians. Vassak Mamikonian was in charge of the Armenian defense against Persia but was eventually defeated through the treachery of Marujan Ardzruni (c. 367-368).
Following that defeat, Vasak's brother Vahan Mamikonian and multiple other feudal lords defected to the Persian side. The Emperor Valens, however, interfered in Armenian affairs and had the office of sparapet bestowed on Vasak's son Mushegh Mamikonian in 370. Four years later Varazdat, a new king, confirmed Musel in office. The latter was subsequently assassinated on behest of Sembat Saharuni who replaced him as sparapet of Armenia.
On this event, the family leadership passed to Mushegh's brother, Enmanuel Mamikonian, who had been formerly kept as a hostage in Persia. The Mamikonids at once broke into insurrection and routed Varazdat and Saharuni at Karin. Enmanuel, together with his sons Hemaiak and Artches, took the king prisoner and put him in a fortress, whence Varazdat escaped abroad. Zarmandukht, the widow of Varazdat's predecessor, was then proclaimed queen. Enmanuel came to an agreement with the powerful Sassanids, pledging his loyalty in recompense for their respect of the Armenian autonomy and laws.
Upon the queen's demise in 384, Enmanuel Mamikonian was proclaimed Regent of Armenia pending the minority of her son Arsaces III and had the infant king married to his daughter Vardandukh. It was Enmanuel's death in 385 that precipitated the country's conquest by the Persians in 386-387.
Another 5th-century Armenian historian, Pawstos Buzand, seconded the story. In his History of Armenia, he twice mentions that the Mamikonians descended from the Han Dynasty of China and as such were not inferior to the Arshakid rulers of Armenia. This genealogical legend may have been part of the Mamikonians' political agenda, as it served to add prestige to their name. Although it echoes the Bagratids' claim of Davidic descent and the Artsruni's claim of the royal Assyrian ancestry, some Armenian historians tended to interprete it as something more than a piece of genealogical mythology. A theory from the 1920s postulated that the Chenk mentioned in the Armenian sources were not the Chinese but probably from a different ethnic group from Transoxania, such as the Tocharians. Edward Gibbon in his The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire also believed that the founder of Mamikonian clan was not Chinese but merely from the territory of the Chinese Empire and ascribes a Scythian origin to Mamgon stating that at the time the borders of the Chinese Empire reached as far West as Sogdiana. Today, some historians are of the opinion that the Mamikonians were probably descended from chieftans of the Tzans (Chanik-in medieval Armenian, Tzannoi in medieval Greek). The Tzans were a tribe that once inhabited a mountainous region to the south of Trebizond. They postulate that the tradition of the Chinese origin arose out of the similarity of the name Chanik to the Armenian word for China, Chen-k.
Hamazasp Mamikonian was recorded as the family leader in 393. His wife is known to have been Sahakanoush, daughter of Saint Sahak the Great and descendant of the Arsacid kings. They had a son, Saint Vartan Mamikonian, who is revered as one of the greatest military and spiritual leaders of ancient Armenia.
After Vartan became Sparapet in 432, the Persians summoned him to Ctesiphon, forcing him to convert to Zoroastrianism. Upon his return to home in 450, Vartan repudiated the Persian religion and instigated a great Armenian rebellion against their Sassanian overlords. Although he died in the doomed Battle of Vartanantz (451), the continued insurrection led by Vahan Mamikonian, the son of Vartan's brother, resulted in the restoration of Armenian autonomy with the Nvarsak Treaty (484), thus guaranteeing the survival of Armenian statehood in later centuries. Saint Vartan is commemorated by an equestrian statue in Yerevan.
After the country's subjugation by the Persians, Mamikonians sided with the Roman Empire, with many family members entering Byzantine service. Not only did they rise to the highest offices of Constantinople, but even some of the emperors - conceivably Leo the Armenian and Basil I - could have been their descendants. Theodora the Byzantine regent and her brothers Bardas and Petronas the Patrician were also of Mamikonian heritage. Unsurprisingly, Mamikonians form a crucial link in the postulated descent of modern European nobility from antiquity.

Decent From Eqypt

A 4000-YearOld Descent from Antiquity From the 12thEgyptian Dynasty